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An interview with Dr. Pang Ming - founder of zhineng qigong - at the Huaxia znqg centre Beijing 1994

 

PM : Right now we have 200 patients, all in the late stages. We seldom have patients come in the early middle

stages of their illness. They come to us after the doctors told them, you are going to die, and you have the last

months to live. We are their last hope. As a result of the lost time and advanced deterioration of the body, our

cure rate is low, about 5% (Over a period of 12 years, the cure rate was 40%).

 

Any patient who comes here is going to be depressed, and pessimistic about his chances of recovery. So we don’t

talk a great deal about the theory and principles of qigong. We first show him a video of group practice,where a

large concourse is filled with hundreds of people generating powerful fields of life energy. We show him

demonstrations where patients quickly lose weight or reduce their blood pressure or eliminate tumors. We show

him patients’ before and- after condition, the concrete results of practice. We don’t show this to promote

ourselves, but only to raise his confidence. In his mind, he is near death. When he sees there’s hope, he practices

qigong with determination.

 

Some patients’ illness responds quickly to practice, others’ more gradually. One patient had lung and stomach

cancer and he was a paraplegic. His doctors said he had one month to live; they advised him to leave the hospital

and not waste his family’s money. He came here and stayed with us for 19 months, well beyond the time allotted

him. Then he died.

 

Our cancer patients, even though they die, don’t suffer greatly. They don’t need medicines and anesthetics.

They’re not emaciated or dispirited when they die. Some patients arrive as thin as a ghost. After practice, they

put on weight. Some die almost a pleasant death while asleep. Others die while on the practice field; they take a

break and die. Two died that way recently. One can say that they died with real human dignity.

 

Q : Do you find qigong practice has a better cure rate with certain kinds of cancer?

PM : We find little difference. Our practice is the same for all diseases. Other qigong methods may be more

specialized in their applications and treatment. But among the many qigong hospitals in the country, ours may

have the highest cure rate. I say ‘may’ because we don’t have a comprehensive study done on this question yet.

But if it is true, it is probably because our qigong method is not very complex or over-specialized.

 

In any case, our success is reflected in our growth in the list few years. In 1988, we had 500 patients come for

treatment. In 1989,900; in 1990,1700; and in 1991, we had 2800 patients ( in 1999, there were 10,500 patients

treated in the Center). They come from all over the country. We don’t promote ourselves advertise. They come

after hearing of other patients’ cures.

 

Qigong is not well understood in China today. If you advertise, it’s like you are selling something, and people get

an unfavorable impression as a result. So we don’t promote qigong, the hospital, or myself. We rely on patients’

own testimony to get the word out. One time, a paraplegic was cured here. He returned home and the next

month 20 paraplegics from his village came.

 

Each term we have 20-80 paraplegics, some so bad they can’t practice at all. They can’t stand or walk, so we sit

them near the practice field and gradually movement returns to their limbs. Soon, they are standing and

practicing with the group. Their recovery rate is 40%, which is any patient who comes similar to the recovery rate

of many other diseases we treat here.

 

Qigong does not place the practitioner’s attention on forms or rituals outside himself. It works with energy.

 

Q : How would you talk about qigong as a tool in man’s quest to know himself?

PM : Qigong is a very profound system of knowledge. It belongs to the highest ranks of Chinese culture and

indeed, world culture. While India, Greece and Egypt did not use a terminology similar to qigong, all developed

knowledge that belonged to the category of qigong. Chinese people talk about life energy as the source of the

universe that causes the growth of all things. This is a much different creation theory than modern science.

Astrophysicists talk about the Big Bang–an enormous explosion and the universe was created. But the Chinese

talk about the primordial state of the universe in terms of life energy. Energy that creates and transforms. The

ancients didn’t talk about why this is so, but rather, how can one harmonize with this reality and conserve one’s

life energy. Man has this life energy. How is he going to use it? To cultivate life energy, one needs to replenish all

the life energy that’s been lost. How? Methods vary.

 

Most methods rely on cultivating life energy in the body, aiming to make up the loss. China calls this the

cultivation of jing-qi-shen. Another method relies directly to the life energy of nature. This is our approach. We

cultivate our own life energy through accessing nature’s great store of life energy. This approach produces quicker

results.

 

But cultivating one’s life energy is not the most fundamental; cultivating one’s spirit is. Mastery of life energy is

really achieved through mastery of consciousness. We use consciousness in a careful, craftsmanlike way, to shape

our life, to attain our goals. If we use modern terminology to name this process, we call it qigong. The ancients

used the word life energy and this mystifies people. But in modern terms, qigong is just the refinement of

consciousness to enhance the state of energy in the body. This leads to vibrant health, a harmonious body and

mind, and an awakened spiritual life.

 

Practicing qigong is very easy. Using life energy to cure illness is also very easy. Our patients can learn to use life

energy to cure illness in 22 days. After 3 months, 30-40% can use life energy to diagnose illness. Diagnosis may

be through a visual examination of the patient, or by intuiting or feeling a person’s disease. Up to 40% learn this

skill fairly quickly. It’s not that complex.

 

Today, people have all kinds of notions about qigong. They think one uses qigong and cures an illness and that’s

it. Even if they cure themselves, many don’t believe that deeply in the process. But qigong is not so limited. One

can help others. One can help turn other people’s lives around.

 

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Q : Why can qigong cure illness?

PM : Qigong theory says that one’s health is dependent on the body’s normal life processes, which are all

dependent on the unimpeded flow of life energy. An illness is a disturbance of this flow. Doctors would say

functioning is impaired. Qigong doesn’t focus on the cause of the disease, but rather on restoring the person to

total physiological balance. If the life energy is unimpeded, body processes will normalize and the illness will

naturally disappear. For example, people have unhealthy bacteria in their body but don’t get sick. Why? Because

their bodily functions and immune systems are strong. They resist the illness. But qigong does not rely on

resisting diseases. It eliminates the source of the disease altogether, rather than leaving it latent in the body. In

experiments, we see that a person’s life energy can kill bacteria outside himself. Practicing qigong will certainly kill

bacteria within.

 

Q : Why is it that people who practice the meditative arts, which are ostensibly good for health, still find their

health deteriorates?

PM : This is because traditional practices, while having great benefits, also have drawbacks. Some rely on silence,

like sitting practice. To sit correctly, you must enter stillness. If you cannot do it or do so poorly, there will be a

negative effect on the life energy. If you cannot enter into deep still states, you will not reap the rewards that

come from stillness, like improved brain functioning, increased alpha waves, and decreased beta waves. In our

practice, we don’t over- emphasize stillness; we promote the natural processes in the body, creating greater flow,

opening and balance. These restored natural rhythms produce vibrant health.

 

Our qigong system differs from other practices in that it changes the ancients’ reliance on stillness. Instead, we

emphasize movement as a basis of cultivation. The ancients always talk about attaining a state where “not a

single thought arises.” Don’t think this is easy. We say: just concentrate your consciousness, that’s good enough.

Focus on your feeling, awareness, consciousness, and spirit; eliminate the confused, fuzzy, weak, or negative.The

result is you become a master of your own life, not a slave of the material world.

 

Existentialists like Sartre say, “I want to be free. I demonstrate for freedom, that makes me free!” The freedom of

qigong isn’t like this. You must master the laws of life. After you master them, you’re free. If you don’t even know

what they are, how can you find freedom?

 

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Q : What rules of life are you talking about?

The rules of life we hardly understand at all today. Modern medicine, biology, and anatomy only describes the

activity of living phenomena.They don’t talk about the basis of organic existence.Geneticists today are able to see

DNA’s molecular structure, but this brings them no closer to solving the questions of life. Why? When the DNA

double helixes are alive, you can duplicate them. Why can’t you do so when they die? There is no life.

Reproduction is impossible. This means that DNA is just the material base for life, not life itself.

 

The problem lies with reliance on inadequate scientific methods. The life sciences employ the same methods as

modern physics. But modern physics explores the inanimate world. It helps discover the rules of inorganic matter.

To use this method to investigate living organisms will not yield satisfactory answers regarding the nature of life.

 

The focus of qigong is to investigate life and its laws. Unlike scientists, qigong practitioners use highly cultivated

consciousness to understand life. The subtlety and sophistication of this consciousness far surpass any methods

or technology employed by physicists or chemists. Life is beyond measurement and quantification. Our ordinary

consciousness can reflect the world around us, but cannot understand it. Why? Because man places himself in a

relationship of part to whole, even though his body and mind form a unity.

 

Only after cultivation and the attainment of high qigong consciousness, can you understand the laws of life, of

living on this earth.

 

What we understand today is not a macro-view of life, but merely an expression of life phenomena. There are

various states of consciousness: one is sick or well, alert or sleep, active, passive, angry, happy… Beyond these is

a qigong state. Qigong focuses on the relative states, seeks to understand their laws and processes, and refines

our consciousness to avoid their limitations. Through this understanding, it seeks to move to a non-relative state.

But science inquires through measurement, which is relative.

 

What it sees in a certain state is no more than an observation. Science has no means to understand higher states.

It has difficulty in understanding how to return the body and mind to balance and health. This is qigong’s area of

expertise.

 

Qigong cultivation aims to move a practitioner from illness to health and ultimately spiritual attainment. We can

see a process of development here. How does this compare to Buddhism and Taoism, which move from lower to

higher stages?

For the most part, religions don’ talk about curing illness. They talk about transcendence, escaping the impurity of

life.They talk of paradise. But qigong is interested only in living better on this earth. This is a fundamental

difference.

Daoists talk of becoming an immortal. Hinayana speaks of the 4 dhyanas and samadhis. Mahayana advocates

“illuminate the mind and see one’s self-nature.” It is not very easy. One must pass many stages, undergo many

transformations before reaching this level. If you have a single thought or a single attachment, you can’t attain it.

 

Q : An ordinary thought would obscure illumination?

PM : Any thought whatsoever would become an obstruction. Thoughts are distractions tied to the outside that

force one into a relative relationship. One thought can stop you. One place where your mind is stuck will stop you.

Illuminating the mind is relatively easily. Penetrating to one’s self-nature (essence) is extremely difficult.

 

Q : Do you teach specific qigong practices for each illness or do all patients undergo a similar training?

Everyone practices the same set of practices. The emphasis is on movement, not stillness.

 

Q : Do you include traditional Daoist concepts like dazhoutian (macrocosmic orbit - da = big) , xiaozhoutian

(microcosmic orbit - full circle of dumai & renmai meridian / KvB) , dantian, meridians, etc.?

PM : It is not necessary. If you teach that, progress is slow.

When the ancients cultivated, they reached very high levels. When they had those attainments, they did not need

practices such as dazhoutian, xiaozhoutian, or dantian. They practiced “every point on the body is a dantian” a

state where man and nature become one.

What we do here with our patient’s aims at that level from the beginning. We use posture, movements, changes

in consciousness and sounds, to amplify and maximize the connections between man and the environment.

There are many zhoutian, heavenly circulation practices. The most traditional is to transform jing into life energy,

which gathers and stores sexual vitality and circulates the jingqi in the dantian. When one achieves the lesser

heavenly circulation, xiaozhoutian, it has the effect of lessening or eliminating sexual desire. How many people

today could accept the elimination of their love life?

 

The next practice is to transform life energy into shen, which creates the great shen and produces the “inner

child” (yinger). Yinger is just a term for an entity created by consciousness and life energy. In this practice, you

send the child outside yourself. When you bring it back, it returns with an external life energy, which you

distribute to all points in your body. In this way, man merges with nature. This is an example of an early practice

called dandaogong. Daoist practices are extremely numerous; this is just one.

So you can see how complex it can get. Of the tens of millions studying qigong in China today, probably not more

than a few have attained the first level, much less the heights of Daoist attainment. In our practice, we begin with

the method of “man and heaven inter-penetrate.” Using life energy and consciousness, we cultivate the

connection between inner and outer, we refine and store the life energy. We avoid the long, complex practice of

zhoutian.

 

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Q :What is the relation between energies?

PM : We just talk about life energy, which includes jing and the body. Our body is actually just life energy.

Physicists say mass is the materialization of energy; formless energy manifests as a form. There is truth to this.

Traditionally, the universe was seen as a result of the transformation of primordial life energy.

After this transformation life energy occupies what we can call the middle position, shen (mind) the upper, and

form (body) the lower. What we call form or the body is just jing. Every cell of our body is jing. The reproduction

of a cell is jing. There are a number of different nuances involved here which makes this terminology difficult at

first. The basis of this jing is life energy. Therefore, to understand life energy is to establish a real root, a real

stability in your life.

 

Q : How did you develop your understanding of life energy?

PM : I practiced many different kinds of spiritual cultivation. Through the years I kept asking, what has value?

What is useful? What really works? Gods and bodhisattvas? Mantras? Through this long period of searching and

experimentation, I found life energy is the foundation of all. If you understand it, you will really achieve

something in your spiritual life.

But how do you cultivate life energy? You strengthen it with the body and refine it with consciousness .This was

my discovery and conclusion after so many years.

I am a doctor. I practiced Western medicine for many years. Since 1962, I’ve practiced Chinese medicine and

acupuncture. But even my Chinese medical study did not help me solve the profound problems of human

existence. Fortunately, it provided many insights because it’s also a system based on life energy. Insert a needle

to treat inflammation and the swelling disappears. Where did it go? This is the function of life energy.

Q : So your teaching relies on absorbing and storing the life energy outside oneself and seeks to develop a

powerful field of life energy, through group practice.

PM : Yes, we use the field in a special way. We have hundreds of people practicing together, building up a field.

This has a tremendous power. During practice, we ask those who have tumors that we can actually see or feel,

to come forward so we can observe the results of their practice. After a group session, the tumors shrink or even

disappear. This is something real, something valuable. It is the same with those with high blood pressure. After

one practice, their pressure drops remarkably.

In China, a lot of people practice qigong and experience uncontrolled laughing, crying, yelling, shaking, hearing

voices, etc. This means they have no base. They falsely confuse these things for real progress. Some teachers will

manipulate their students to have these psychological releases. But I think it’s really shallow. We want to look at

something real. A great many Chinese have tumors. If we can show qigong practice has a beneficial effect on

reducing or eliminating tumors, then that’s useful. It’s a certifiable result. You can see it.

 

Q : It may be difficult for people to understand the power of an energy field.

PM : I think it’s best not to introduce [the theory and concepts of] this practice in the beginning. The more you

talk about qigong as miraculous, powerful, extraordinary, the more difficult it is for people to accept it. Even in

China, I only introduce teaching that is close to people’s real experience, something they can actually use. So I

say, first talk about qigong as a cultivation to cure illness. People must learn to cure their own illness and not

hope that a teacher will rub them or save them in some way. First establish your own health. A lot of people

think, the more complicated a practice, the more profound it is. Actually, the more complicated a practice, the less

effective it is. So if you learn how to harness and use this life energy of nature, to cure illnesses in yourself and

others, you’ve really learned something fundamental. You have a stable base from which to go forward.

Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Training & Recovery Center. This article was published by Heaven and Earth Magazine

in 1994.

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